Comments on: Digital Democracy for All? https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/ The PEP-NET Blog Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:02:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Daniel VAN LERBERGHE https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21302 Daniel VAN LERBERGHE Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:27:41 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21302 This post reminds me of the eternal conflicting concepts of "neutrality" and "impartiality" in public law and public administration. When bringing the concept of "neutrality" when talking about politics or international relations, one can argue that getting involve in politics or political field in a scientific or an advising role can we be "neutral", can we conceive the IMF, the World Bank or the UN as "neutral" ? Are public administrations "neutral" in relation to the elected decision-makers if we take the European model of public administration? Don't these organisations provide experts advises or judgements to the States for the former and the political level for the latter? In fact they are not "neutral" but "impartial" and in the field of Internet and Politics, as a new and evolving field, similar concepts or norms should be adopted so professional as much as in the political marketing and campaign consultants should be "impartial" in delivering their services. If Tom advises the Conservative Party it does not make him a Torry, as much as it did not become a Labour Member when he adviced the Prime-Minister for his ePetition system. Internet opened up new possibilities for our social activities, but one should not forget that these new tools are there to enhance our reality and build on its concepts, rules, ethics and processes to better reinvent them... This post reminds me of the eternal conflicting concepts of “neutrality” and “impartiality” in public law and public administration. When bringing the concept of “neutrality” when talking about politics or international relations, one can argue that getting involve in politics or political field in a scientific or an advising role can we be “neutral”, can we conceive the IMF, the World Bank or the UN as “neutral” ? Are public administrations “neutral” in relation to the elected decision-makers if we take the European model of public administration? Don’t these organisations provide experts advises or judgements to the States for the former and the political level for the latter?

In fact they are not “neutral” but “impartial” and in the field of Internet and Politics, as a new and evolving field, similar concepts or norms should be adopted so professional as much as in the political marketing and campaign consultants should be “impartial” in delivering their services. If Tom advises the Conservative Party it does not make him a Torry, as much as it did not become a Labour Member when he adviced the Prime-Minister for his ePetition system.

Internet opened up new possibilities for our social activities, but one should not forget that these new tools are there to enhance our reality and build on its concepts, rules, ethics and processes to better reinvent them…

]]> By: Fraser Henderson - ICELE https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21274 Fraser Henderson - ICELE Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:43:28 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21274 Free consultancy....sometimes you need to eat. Free consultancy….sometimes you need to eat.

]]> By: Rolf Luehrs https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21225 Rolf Luehrs Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:13:11 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21225 @Hans - which would be a good thing @Julia: right, but: there is still a difference in consulting a labour led government or consulting a political party @Hans – which would be a good thing

@Julia: right, but: there is still a difference in consulting a labour led government or consulting a political party

]]> By: Julia Glidden https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21219 Julia Glidden Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:48:36 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21219 Yes - the impartiality of MySociety is an obvious point. But, as you say Rolf, MySociety is an independent organisation staffed by extremely independent minded pioneers and Tom is acting as an advisor in an independent capacity. I appreciate that there are genuine appearance issues - but I must say that I find the criticism from someone like Tom Watson who has been a major and important advocate of digital engagement for years now and has himself benefited from independent advice in the field somewhat counter productive..... Yes – the impartiality of MySociety is an obvious point. But, as you say Rolf, MySociety is an independent organisation staffed by extremely independent minded pioneers and Tom is acting as an advisor in an independent capacity. I appreciate that there are genuine appearance issues – but I must say that I find the criticism from someone like Tom Watson who has been a major and important advocate of digital engagement for years now and has himself benefited from independent advice in the field somewhat counter productive…..

]]> By: Zebralog / Hans Hagedorn https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21202 Zebralog / Hans Hagedorn Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:07:22 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21202 "There's no such thing as a free lunch" and I believe any party which appoints someone like Tom as an 'unpaid advisor' will face the challenge to make their promises real. “There’s no such thing as a free lunch” and I believe any party which appoints someone like Tom as an ‘unpaid advisor’ will face the challenge to make their promises real.

]]> By: Rolf Luehrs https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21199 Rolf Luehrs Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:41:43 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21199 Thanks Julia for making us aware of that really interesting discussion. First of all I totally agree that the use of the Internet to improve democracy is politically neither left or right nor attached to any of the political parties. However, to become an advisor for one of the parties will have consequences for Tom’s credibility towards the others. The interesting questions is whether this will impact the standing of mySociety in general. In this regard Tom said: “Apart from anything else, I don’t have the power to make mySociety be anything else other than impartial – the staff and volunteers are way too independent minded to allow a dubious change in direction”. This sounds convincing to me and I really hope to others as well. See also the discussion on <a href="https://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2009/10/tom-steinberg-mysociety-and-the-tories/" rel="nofollow">Tom Watson’s blog</a> (via Anthony Zacharzewski) and on our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pan-European-eParticipation-Network-PEP-NET/18139139362" rel="nofollow">facebook page</a> . Thanks Julia for making us aware of that really interesting discussion. First of all I totally agree that the use of the Internet to improve democracy is politically neither left or right nor attached to any of the political parties. However, to become an advisor for one of the parties will have consequences for Tom’s credibility towards the others. The interesting questions is whether this will impact the standing of mySociety in general. In this regard Tom said: “Apart from anything else, I don’t have the power to make mySociety be anything else other than impartial – the staff and volunteers are way too independent minded to allow a dubious change in direction”. This sounds convincing to me and I really hope to others as well.

See also the discussion on Tom Watson’s blog (via Anthony Zacharzewski) and on our facebook page .

]]> By: Roberto Zarro https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21106 Roberto Zarro Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:42:18 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21106 speaking about open data and egov 2.0, but changing political side, here the news of the new initiative named "Federal Register 2.0" promoted by the White House https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Federal-Register-20-Opening-a-Window-onto-the-Inner-Workings-of-Government/ speaking about open data and egov 2.0, but changing political side, here the news of the new initiative named “Federal Register 2.0″ promoted by the White House

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Federal-Register-20-Opening-a-Window-onto-the-Inner-Workings-of-Government/

]]> By: Csaba https://pep-net.eu/blog/2009/10/07/digital-democracy-for-all/comment-page-1/#comment-21093 Csaba Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:15:32 +0000 https://pep-net.eu/?p=1118#comment-21093 I would be very happy to any of our parties in Hungary would hire Tom to help democratize in a digital way ;) Go for it! I would be very happy to any of our parties in Hungary would hire Tom to help democratize in a digital way ;) Go for it!

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